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PostSubject: WARLOGHE digipack?   Wed 14 May - 20:10

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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Wed 14 May - 21:11

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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Wed 14 May - 22:03

Unauthorized. I reckon this is an ugly business, but what can you do if people want this excellent album (and they should). Answer: an official repress.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Thu 15 May - 11:19

iormungand t. wrote:
what can you do if people want this excellent album
Dub it from someone who has the album and enjoy
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Thu 15 May - 14:54

too much complicated to get a dub, it's unavailable on ebay or paypal payment.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Thu 15 May - 17:43

Today, when there is a possibility to make money, people do not hesitate to make bootlegs. The worst thing is that some morons do not hesitate to buy these bootlegs for a very high price.
I think that the time where cds were limited to 1000 and never reprinted is over.
If bands wants to avoid such kind of humiliations, they have to consider reprinting their old albums.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Thu 15 May - 21:06

Exactly.
As far as I'm concerned, I do have the original cd so I'm fine with it. I just hate to see some guy making tons of money without retribution in any way to the band.
And the guy contacted me with his wholesale prices which are quite outrageous for what it is.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 0:54

Expose him here.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 16:36

Yes, you must give us his name.

If he is offering wholesale price it means that he obviously printed more than 300. I am sure he printed 1000 at least.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 17:12

You could also try to fake-arrange a deal with him, saying that you can only send cash in the mail for the copies. At least this could secure a p.o. box addy that could be given to those directly involved, in case they want to take action.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 17:16

or create a fake official Warloghe myspace claiming it's not Warloghe tracks, so it's not released on digipack, but on digitape
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 21:58

Which is worse in your eyes, buying a bootleg or downloading the album?
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 22:56

I think that a legal action is useless because if someone is able to do it it will only spend more money that it will receive.
Legal action between countries are really expensive.
And it will be very hard to prove that the guy that is making wholesale is the same who release the cd.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Fri 16 May - 23:51

Szatan wrote:
Which is worse in your eyes, buying a bootleg or downloading the album?
Obviously, buying a bootleg. Furthermore in this case where anyway the original version is totally sold out. So buying a bootleg done from a totally sold out release is basically giving your money to someone who doesn't have any relation with the band whatsoever and not retributing the band in any way. Downloading this specific album does not imply easy money for anyone who has no link with the band and original release. Buying the bootleg does.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Sun 18 May - 0:41

That's right. But which bands get royalties from the sale of their productions, except those signed on majors?
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Sun 18 May - 0:57

Well, bands sometimes ask for more than what the recording cost is worth, which is just totally justified in my point of view. Added to that, they have their own copies that they can sell on their own (everybody can create some kind of shop or instant paying thing with paypal and myspace, there's plenty of that already) and at their gigs (if they do play gigs), so you can consider that royalties as well, even if they're not direct payment on label's sales and that they have to pack things etc... If a band sells all the records they are given as "royalties", it can make a fair amount of money I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Sun 18 May - 2:24

Yes, I know that, but it's not the bands' role to sell their own stuff. Creating, recording and mixing music (plus the artwork) is already an important investment of energy and means. Promotion and sale should be the labels' role exclusively.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Sun 18 May - 14:08

That's true in some way. But when the label can't afford to give money after paying for recording + pressing... it's better than nothing in my book. And I know a lot of people who prefer to buy from the bands directly rather than on mailorders.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Sun 18 May - 19:40

Of course, it's better than nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Mon 19 May - 12:22

There is also bands who doesn't sell at all. So, the only option in that case is to give them free cds.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Tue 20 May - 2:26

Are there many good bands that do not sell?
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Tue 20 May - 11:04

95% of the nowadays BM scene do not sell.

This scene is over saturated and people are tired to buy average cds that they can easily download.

It's a bit a paradox, it's easy to have a Cd printed but after that, no one buy it.

For example, we must have sold less than 50 Decayed/Thugnor split CD since this one was released and the production costs of this CD was more than 3000. (Manufacturing of the CD + Advance royalties pay to the band + SACEM/SDRM payment since this band is registered there) I do not mention promotion costs...

The band wanted to have a new deal with Drakkar and even if I like their music, we cannot afford to produce them.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Tue 20 May - 12:00

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For example, we must have sold less than 50 Decayed/Thugnor split CD since this one was released

50 only ???
That's very surprising. I thought that this album would be sold out in a few months but it will not be the case unfortunately.
I bought this Split CD and it is in my opinion one of the best Drakkar release in 2007.
If you buy this cd, you get a free Decayed badge.

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The band wanted to have a new deal with Drakkar and even if I like their music, we cannot afford to produce them.

Aahrg... Bad news.
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Tue 20 May - 21:58

Isn't the solution to release less copies, for example 100 or 200? (and then reprint if necessary)
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PostSubject: Re: WARLOGHE digipack?   Tue 20 May - 23:45

hard to find a plant to press only 200. Or it means throwing away 300.
But, 200 means interest in the eyes of ebay BM business speculators, so the copies would sell fast. A way to sell the other 300 copies.
Sombre Recs already did that. Rest in peace, brother.
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